Here is a question I would love to get input on from anyone in our group. Many times I will read articles on topics which Unarius has the answers for. If it is on the computer that it appears, there are many times that a comment section follows, and I’m not certain, since I am not being asked directly, if I should speak out.
Here’s an example, the exploration of Mars is a hot topic. Since the Martians obviously do not wish at this time to make their presence known, is it even right to mention the underground cities? Normally I would say no, but since Dr. Norman has a book out on the topic, I’m not sure. Any thoughts?…….Ken.
Submitted by: Ken on 02/17/2015
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That is a great question Ken. Throughout the years I have always felt that Unarius should be put out there (in the world of ideas) and then let the preconditioned person recognize the value in Dr. Norman’s teachings. In other words, I would not attempt to convert anyone who might not see it as truth. (Not that you are advocating this.) Rather, I would suggest in any such comment section that someone who might be interested in the Martian World should read the book by Ernest L Norman ‘The Truth About Mars’. And I would recommend our site where they could read the book for free. – And leave it there, because I have found that in a public forum it is best not to elaborate much except to generate curiosity. There is great sales resistance about these ideas. I might approach other topics more aggressively – Like some of the more science related subjects. Of course, this is only my opinion.
However, after saying that, I recommend that all Unarian students keep a sharp eye out for opportunities to expose people to Unarius – In any and all formats available to us.
Dear Cosmon,
You are of course correct. I see now from reading all the comments what my misunderstanding about ‘preconditioning’ has been. Because I have never felt myself intellectually that sharp, I couldn’t figure out why other people didn’t understand and even rejected these principles. In fact, as I write this, I realize this has probably been the case over many lifetimes….frustratingly trying to promote what I felt were better ideas to people who really just weren’t ready….and as a result perhaps even harming them.
This has piled up a lot of criticism and guilt in my psyche as a result and led to my asking the question to gain this understanding. Thank you my friend and to the others for helping me with this. It may seem like a minor realization to others, but when you have been programmed with the mandate to help…and can’t…and don’t know why…and blame yourself as a result…it’s a big deal!!! As you can see I took it all personally, so that my motivation was Ego-driven and not Inner-driven…..A GREAT LESSON!!!!!!!!……..Ken.
Ken, I just read the book twice in two days and I loved it, was exhilarated by it! The existence of “The Truth About Mars,” as far as I am concerned, means that the knowledge of it is already out there. Though I wouldn’t knock on someone’s door and try to give them the book, I would speak of life on Mars when there is an appropriate opportunity, just as I did the other day. My comment was in synch with another’s comment, and he was awed! No further questions though!
A few years ago, at my brother’s funeral, the congregation that included an AA group (his beloved friends), and others, complemented the preface of my presentation–energy not being destroyed but changing form–and from there I spoke of my brother and his transition. It was all beautiful.
Dear Naimah,
Thank you for your comments. I liked especially how you incorporated an understanding of energy at your brother’s funeral. It’s scientific, undeniable, and provided that needed touch of hope for all present. I’m sure your brother enjoyed it too!!….Love and Light….Ken.
Hello Ken! Like Tom I have found it is much better to refer people to the Moderator and the books he wrote. He is much better at explaining the science than I am. This realization comes as experience of course, after failing time after time to sell Unarius as the ultimate truth on our planet. I do not like using the word “sell” here but looking back at my interaction with perceived people of interest, that is what I was doing. How could it be any other way. Ernest L. Norman was and still is the only certified teacher of this science.
Hi Ken, This is how I look at it. If someone asked me how to build a house, I would tell them how. If someone asked me if Mars has life, I would tell them what I know referencing the source, Unarius and “The Truth About Mars.” If I waited till I had a degree in it then obviously no one would ever learn about it in my sphere of influence and eventually the person I am talking to in their spheres of influence. (Degrees are meaningless because some don’t know a thing yet they have a piece a paper telling them that they think they do.) In other words, I don’t have a degree in building houses yet it won’t stop me from explaining how to build a house (if I knew how). If I understood the principles, to some degree, in Unarius then I will explain what I know, but only if they ask me or come to me seeking the knowledge. For me, I would also explain to them if they are interested where they can obtain the books through this web site for just shipping and handling. Thanks to Cosmon for providing this opportunity for near free. This is in person but relating to what is on the internet, I have, numerous times, brought up Unarius books as comments to different articles especially referencing “The Infinite Concept of Cosmic Creation.” In my opinion, every little bit helps. It would also help to leave 5 star reviews of the Unarius Core Curriculum on Amazon.com where 75% or plus of the public buy their books. This may or may not be the correct way to someone else’s interpretation but to each their own.
I understand exactly what you’re saying. The person to whom I was speaking, smiled, but didn’t ask a single question when I told him about there being life on Mars, so I didn’t even have the opportunity to reference the book–or Unarius. I really can’t be a Unarian without expression as one, though I’m certainly not qualified to “teach.” However that doesn’t mean that I can’t pass on a jewel of knowledge when possible. In my experience, sometimes people enjoy it in small doses, left alone, no prodding.
In the 7 years I’ve been a Unarian, I’ve only had one opportunity to pass on a book, my personal copy of “The Infinite Concept of Cosmic Creation.” Of course, I ordered another immediately. I’ve referred a few individuals to Unarius because they expressed interest, but I doubt if they pursued it, and I didn’t ask. Of course, that’s OK. I’m always glad to just give someone a jewel.
Hi Naimah,
I appreciate what you say. Everyone has different experiences and handle the situation according to their feelings about what they should and shouldn’t do. I, like you, look at it as just passing out a few seeds (jewels sounds like a nicer analogy) that may or may not grow but hopefully will. Almost like being a Johnny Appleseed. We never know if things will come to fruit but we know for sure nothing will happen if we refuse to do anything at all. Of course, I never try to force anything on anyone because that is not my prerogative but if there is an opening then I don’t mind bringing Unarius up and if they don’t want to know or don’t care, they let me know and I let it go and move on. But I think the world is getting to be an easier place to talk about the principles of Unarius because really even though some of the propositions may seem fantastic it would be fantastic otherwise. The universe is a big place and normal science doesn’t have the answers but Unarius does and I think people are beginning to recognize that on a subtle (spiritual) level.
Greetings Ken,
I could not have given a better answer to your question than what Tom gave you. Gary gave a good answer too when he made a reference about selling.
My continued feeling on this if I may. If we truly conceived anything at all from these Light Filled texts, then would we not realize that not one of us, as students of this science, is in a position at this time in our Spiritual evolution to teach it!
The Masters who are in a position to teach this Science are no-longer on this earth plane.
We have to on a daily basis ask our self if it is ego that drives us or is it Spirit.
Love and Light,
Lesley
Dear Lesley,
Your last line did it for me. “We have to on a daily basis ask our self if it is ego that drives us or is it Spirit.”…..Thank you!!!……Ken
Greetings Gloria,
I found your take on Ken’s posting of interest. I think I know where you are coming from with your comments and I respect them for this is how you feel and I have no right to take those feelings from you and would not, but if I may show another side to your comment for contemplating.
We must not diminish what you referred to as a piece of paper as if it doesn’t have a significance. While on this earth world that we reside, our societies although not perfect by any means has set in place a system whereby that so-called piece of paper lets society know that the person who holds it has been schooled and tested in a profession that met the requirements necessary in his day and time to administer and practice said learned skills with confidence.
This is not unlike in the Spiritual Realms except frequency relationship replaces that piece of paper and of course there is much more entailed.
You referred to a house being built. I being a home owner can tell you without pause that I would not have my home built by anyone that did not have the expertise and proper credentialing that I can check. Fore without that proper foundation that house would simply crumble.
Yes, there may be some that have a little knowledge to some degree of how something can be done, but without proper schooling to fine tune their skills that foundation can come down all around, and not only could you be harmed, but those in your sphere of influence can be harmed too. I speak of both the Physical and Spiritual.
Without that paper you refer to as meaningless, society can only go by what that person professes, and without the knowledge of being able to sense, read, and see the frequency of that person who is professing to them(as not all have this ability to do so as yet), they are at the mercy of that person who is dispensing to them.
The Spirit of man will search for that connection in his or her own time and will find it. We as students of this science don’t need to pander, for this science will endure and the Infinite is not concerned with how many will make contact today, tomorrow, next year, etc. and neither should we. The preconditioned already have the seed planted within and will carry that seed and come upon a time when they will awaken to that life within. It will be their choice, their time. We must not push, for in the pushing of that seed if forced to awaken before its time, will not have the proper nourishment to sustain it and can become weak and waylaid until another time.
We can as students do as Tom has recommended which in its simplicity amplified a purity.
Love and Light Always,
Lesley
I am glad this issue came up as to who can teach and who cannot teach Unarius. I don’t recall reading in any of the Unarius texts where Dr. Norman said at any time that he is the only person qualified to teach Unarius. In fact, he had numerous teachers come through him to bring forth the Science of Life. These beings formerly lived on earth like Einstein, Darwin, Newton, and so many more and I am sure these Masters will continue to reincarnate again and again to help the earth man (I’m sure some are already here now). (Let us not forget that Cosmon’s higher self is Plato and if that isn’t a teacher, I don’t know who is).
But at I was saying, if Dr. Norman had felt he was the only person qualified to teach Unarius then he would have stated so. In fact, I believe he wanted just the opposite – for Unarius to be taught in schools as is done on many other planets. (To teach in schools, you must have teachers.) Too, this reminds me of what the negative forces did when they twisted Jesus’ teachings stating that he was the ONLY son of God when in fact Jesus taught that we were ALL sons and daughters of God.
Also, one other point that Dr. Norman brought up numerous times is to never limit yourself. To say you are not qualified to teach the science or that Dr. Norman is the one and only who can teach Unarius – is that not limiting yourself? Unarius encompasses all the different topics of life especially physics, space, history, past life therapy, and healing, so are we to never teach ANY of these subjects? At what point does one know when it is okay to teach? Who is to be the decider as to who can teach and who can’t and on the basis of what qualifications?
Of course, all of this sounds ridiculous and I am always surprised when I hear how students react so negatively when they think someone is teaching Unarius who they think isn’t qualified. My question is what gives them the credentials to decide who is qualified and who isn’t? If Dr. Norman had said he was the only person qualified to teach Unarius then maybe I would take note of it but Dr. Norman never said that at any time. At least, I have never come across it and I have read every book in the core curriculum at least three times.
The other issue is that when someone just talks about the principles to someone else, does that imply they are teaching someone? I remember when I first came to the center years ago. I had sold my bike and a few remaining dolls from a doll collection and borrowed money from a Ft. Lauderdale student to buy a bus ticket. I traveled 3,000 miles with just $50 in my pocket and a couple of articles of clothing. The primary purpose in my coming to the center was to talk to someone, it didn’t matter who, anyone, about Unarius principles, not teach, mind you, just to talk to someone about the principles. So one day after I had arrived, I started to talk to Dan Smith about some of the principles. He just looked at me with the purest hate and anger that can be imagined and started screaming at the top of his lungs, “You’re no teacher!” “You’re no teacher!” then stomped off in a rage. Needless to say, I was stunned at this display. I just wanted to talk to someone about the principles because I thought that that was the right thing to do. I was here at the center, why can’t I talk about Unarius principles without being accused of being a teacher?
Anyway that left kind of a bad taste in my mouth and I decided then but have really always known that I won’t be limited by someone else’s idea that Unarius principles are too sacred to talk about. I will talk about them and if somebody has a problem with that then that is their problem!
Dear Gloria – I usually do not post comments such as your latest, as we wish this site to reflect more positive expressions regarding our interactions – not argument! I definitely felt a great deal of emotion and reaction to this topic in your comments – so at this time it is good to clarify what a teacher really is which you seem to be confused about.
A teacher defined by Unarius is someone who brings a total comprehension of the Infinite principles and original concepts to the earthman accompanied by Healing Energies directed by the Brotherhood and Higher Self of this individual, such as Dr. Norman. There have been only a hand full of Higher Beings who have come to this earth plane. You spoke of other people in history who you consider teachers. Yes, many more advanced souls have come to this world with a part of the true workings of the Infinite. But they are on a certain level of understanding and do not have an entire awareness of the principles to constitute the complete science. Many elements are missing or distorted in their expressions.
However, most important, all students report that they feel a definite upliftment or transcendence when attuning to Dr Norman’s teaching, which come truly from the Infinite Intelligence! This is not the case by most other souls who have given portions of the understanding of the Higher Precepts. ALL others who do not completely understand and LIVE by these principles can not be considered teachers – including ALL students and (as far as I can see) any one who claims to be in Dr Norman’s league. We as earth men do not (in the Most part) have an inkling of how to live upright in the Higher Worlds. This is why He came – to teach us how. Yes, the Moderator in the lessons did say that there were others who espoused the Unarian Science. But he said it because he is so humble that he included others. I knew him quite well, and he constantly exhibited an advanced mentality far beyond any other person (including up to today) claiming to relay truth to us and a true connection with the Higher Worlds. If you had personally come in contact with him, you would know what I mean.
The idea that Dr Norman is only on par with other self proclaimed Knowers, simply is not aware of his supreme position as a teacher.
There have been only a handful of Higher Beings who are advanced enough to be called true TEACHERS of Infinite principles – Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, to name a few.
Even Ruth (Uriel) was not an original teacher – She took all of her teachings from the Moderator. She did not bring the teaching, HE did.
Having said that – we as students should at ALL times refer to the teachings of Unarius and let the potential truth seeker get the Teachings from the one teacher himself. We are truly students – not teachers – and that is how we should portray ourselves to the world and with humility within ourselves continue to make the effort to conceive and live the principles by our studies. I have read all of his works a hundred times and each time they are new to me. Why? Because his teaching is Infinite in nature and as I move through Infinity, I contact the teaching from another facet I face. Dr Norman said that what he brought us will easily take thousands of years to comprehend and put into action!
Even if there are people who might know more than we do, they themselves are nowhere near the Moderator’s contact with Infinity!! Just study his works faithfully and you will benefit far beyond wasting time on half truths or out right lies of those who demand our attention or money.
That is not to say that we can not discuss our present understanding of the principles with other students or someone who might be interested – but all of us should present ourselves as students and not teachers. The teacher of the Higher precepts and worlds left this earth in 1971. The ones left are searching and seeking Students of life – and if wise would recognize that the true Teacher has put on a silver platter all the ingredients necessary to transform ourselves into one who can walk upright in the Higher Worlds of which He speaks!!!
I agree with you wholeheartedly and I am sorry if my enthusiasm is being misinterpreted as being argumentative. That could be further from the Truth. I never made the claim that we are Teachers but that in future evolutions we can become Teachers of the Science. Anything less is a limitation which I won’t entertain.
I would like to leave a follow-up to what Tom has posted above. My follow-up will be the words of the Moderator himself with regard to what has been discussed here.
True Infinite participation will come about only when any individual can conceive and practice the Infinite Principle of Creative Regeneration without being involved with various emotional subversions. To become a teacher of Unarius therefore means literally to express into the world some of the more advanced attributes which were so adequately expressed by Jesus, yet all the while being done quietly without fanfare and completely objectively without the taint of reward. Yes, all this and even more; for in this scientific day and age all such expressions must be continuities of science, adequately proven both by science and the miracle of reform.
Almost needless to say, any person or student who attempts to usurp a position as a teacher or to otherwise claim a teacher ship without being so suitably conferred after having passed the necessary requirements is guilty of plagiarism and should this course be pursued by this person and in the name of Unarius, he will be subject to prosecution under existing laws which cover this malfeasance. Also such a false assumption will not carry with it in its expression any of the great transcending and healing spiritual powers. Consequently the expressions of this person will be completely invalid, inevitably leading the expressionist and the listener far astray, back into miasmic hinterlands of delusion and despair.
There is incontestable proof that there is nothing presently existing like Unarius; neither are there any written historical accounts, Biblical or otherwise which can make an adequate comparison. This is an open challenge to both the doubter and to anyone who would like to prove it to himself on the basis that he desires a better life in becoming a more constructive entity with the Infinite Intelligence.
It is also most important that a teacher be able to transcend or elevate to a higher level of consciousness, and all who are his or her students. In this transcendent state much more can be accomplished than under ordinary circumstances. The teacher does, in effect, project certain kinds of energy configurations which bring about healing adjustments, negative cancellations, etc., resulting in a spiritual rebirth.
Hi Gary,
Thank you for posting the words of Dr. Norman on this matter! While serving mankind in his earth incarnations, the Moderator brought us the Teachings, and he was and still is and always will be the epitome of a true Teacher of the highest and purest order. We have only to study his words to guide us to progress as students, and as students, to share what we have learned with others so preconditioned.
Love and Light,
Madilyn
Dear Gary,
Thank you for providing us with the final word in this discussion on Teachership- (Dr. Norman). From reading His words, it is clear that I ain’t no teacher!!
One of the reasons I left Unarius-El Cajon in the early nineties, was because the last time I was there, the students were calling themselves not only Teachers, but Gods. They all were under the impression that there was nothing more they had to work out. Uriel was incapacitated at the time, and they were all hoping for Her immediate transition to be with Alta on planet Vixall?????I have no idea what kind of a group reliving they were having, but I wanted no part of it.
Thanks again for that informative post!!!……L&L……Ken.
Greetings Ken,
Do you have any more questions to ask:) Gary is also curious as to if you have any further questions, you have apparently added a lot of excitement to his life:)
Love and Light Always,
Lesley
Dear Lesley,
More questions?….let’s hope not! 🙂
……..On second thought, since Gary needs more excitement in his life, I do have another question I would love to hear opinions on. I’ll post it, but please try to look after him in the mean time;)
Love and Light back at you both!!…….Ken.
I see there’s an interesting discussion going on here! First to Ken…Hi Ken! What an excellent question you posed. Yes, as students we know that Unarius has the answers to any and every topic posted on articles and social media, etc. I concur with Tom’s response about putting Unarius out there “in the world of ideas” for those so preconditioned whenever possible but doing it briefly, just a short comment with a link to our site while keeping “a sharp eye out for opportunities to expose people to Unarius,” such as Naimah did in the wonderful example in her comment.
I also agree with the excellent replies by Lesley, Gary, and Naimah and I could not have said it any better but to add that I think there’s a delicate balance as to when to open up about Unarius and when to step back from our desire to “spread the word” so to speak. My suggestion would be that on a public forum, if an individual has responded positively to your brief comment about Dr. Norman’s books and our site here, see if you can then communicate with him or her privately in an email or chat message to continue the conversation and contact. It’s been my experience that if you continue the dialog any further in a public forum, there may be forces out there and souls not yet preconditioned just waiting to jump into a discussion and squash the Light at every opportunity. So just the brief comment and then continuing dialog privately and directing them to our site seems the best approach. There are many souls searching and the preconditioned will be open to the Teachings. And I think the link to Unarians United is very important; we don’t want them to inadvertently go to any other Unarius site on the Internet because here is where they’ll find the true Teachings of Dr. Norman.
Ken, I am glad you asked this very thoughtful question. And I like the Shakespearean reference in your post title! Btw, bet you didn’t imagine your one question would initiate such a lively discussion LOL! Like Lesley and Gary, I welcome your ever interesting questions here! 🙂
Love and Light to you,
Madilyn
Excellent response dear one!!
Thank you so much, Tom!
Dear Madilyn,
It’s obvious from your excellent comments that you have been down this road once or twice yourself! It’s almost a science you have developed there!
Yes, you are correct(smile), I never would’ve imagined such a lively discussion could be initiated by one question. What I chuckled about hearing was the excited stimulation it caused Gary. I guess at our ages now, I’ll have to tone my questions down;)
Thank you for the advice, Madilyn…..Love and Light headed your way..Ken.
Hi Gloria,
I’d like to comment on some of what you’ve written here. First, regarding degrees, just as Lesley wrote, I’d like to also present another side for your contemplation. Degrees and certifications are so much more than just “a piece of paper telling them what they think they do.” Thinking of it that way very much diminishes the worth of education and degrees that people have worked hard to achieve. Of course, an actual degree as such is not always necessary; however those of us on the earth plane need to acquire training and skills via education and a degree if required in that field in order to be proficient in our earth lives. We acquire spiritually-guided instruction for certain professions over eons of time while on the Higher Worlds (which continues on the Inner during our time on earth), but that needs to be augmented by skills training and if required, a degree, on the earth plane as well. That “piece of paper” for a degree or certification is an achievement to be respected. I’d want any contractor working on my house to be qualified by certification more than just reading a book on it. I like the way Lesley phrased it: “This is not unlike in the Spiritual Realms except frequency relationship replaces that piece of paper and of course there is much more entailed.”
Btw, the Unarius books Cosmon offers here are free, not “near free” because shipping and handling are separate from an actual cost of a book. (On many sites offering something free they will state shipping/handling separate.) I realize you meant it positively but words matter and “near free” could be misunderstood by those outside of this site.
Regarding the other part to your response to Ken’s question, I agree with Tom, Lesley, and Gary (and I like Naimah’s example). Yes, we want to promote Unarius but be careful not to come across as pandering or selling. The preconditioned are the only ones who will be receptive. “To every time there is a season,” and to every soul there is a dawn of awakening. We are not the teachers but merely the students. I believe I will continue to be a student for many more eons of time ad infinitum. Tom expressed it all so well and beautifully in his comment above, and I wholeheartedly agree with everything he wrote about teachers and The Moderator.
Love and Light to you,
Madilyn
Madilyn – I certainly agree about your assertion that we must work to learn and earn the skills to make a monetary living, and this should be respected.
In another vain: Most of the people on this planet wish others to see us as a KNOWER. Our Egos are enhanced when the world whispers how smart we are. They say ‘Well, look how educated he/she is – he/she must be filled with a wellspring of knowledge’. This is a natural state of affairs in a dimension where there is the system of those who dominate the dominated. Living in such a world of required survival skills, I asked the Moderator if a formal education would be needed. He remarked, without enthusiasm, that ‘They won’t listen to you without letters behind your name’ – Whereupon I spent the next 10 years in the academic world learning that Unarius is the only way to obtain the truly important knowledge – and more importantly the Wisdom to overcome the Ego self.
Tom, thank you for your comment and for sharing the Moderator’s words.
Thank you Ken for posting the original question and to the other responses. It is very important to know that I don’t hold any grudges here but I guess it is nice to stir the pot now and then and see what interesting new realizations rise to the top! Sometimes our preconceived ideas don’t hold mustard and we never know until that pot gets stirred.
As far as I am concerned and it goes without saying, every experience is a learning lesson and life wouldn’t or couldn’t be what it is without them.
With Gratitude!
Dear Gloria
Great attitude! I have to laugh though, because your comment about stirring the pot reminded me of my father. He had this habit of taking the opposite side in any discussion just to find out how much the other person knew (or so he said). It still ruffled some feathers, but because we knew his tactic, everybody still loved him…..as we do you!….L&L…Ken.
Hello again Ken
I moved to El Cajon in 1996 with the idea of being a class Moderator (teacher). I thought my understanding of the science was easily on par with anyone at the Center. As things unfolded I stepped away from all that, the group think mentality, the phoniness of the supposed channels and the class moderators was so very apparent to me. Shortly thereafter I quit going to class. I felt a little guilty about that (not attending class) and went to see a psychic, a Native American lady I knew. She told me that I had the information in the books, everything I needed was in those books. She also mentioned that it would be best for me if I forgot that that place (the Center) had ever existed. In the years since I have come to realize that those were my spiritual coaches whispering to that sweet psychic lady, “forget that that place ever existed!”